haha! LOL!

im glad we can agree to dissagree about this and i completely understand where ur coming from. most i talk with cant agree on anything exept their rigid view but those are only turks and Afrikaaners. LOL! yea all of ur scientists are in the silicon valley where i live dude! the San Fransisco bay area is the only place in the US not affected by Bush's disasternomics. but the schools their are very hard and competative and at least in Germany and scandinavia they have the top scientists nowadays.

yea, the CCCP with their extreme version tried to account for the failures of the welfare state, but they had no international or free market unlike the rest of europe, so the economy was always very stagnant. i completly aggree with ur opinion on wage equilization,but it doesnt seem to be much of a problem in modern socialism as i like to call it.i have my own version of modern and extreme socialism and as i said about wages, i do not consider myself a communist although i completely promote it

thank u for that and i rarely find pple who can hold friendly conversations on this matter and since ur from the Nederlands this is maybe why and u know the ways of europe. i know both US and europe and as much as i can from others/textbooks about the rest of the world. Holland, in my opinion, is a different matter, and i dont like their situation and libertarianism, no offense. NL is screwd up in many ways and according to DW-TV has more organizd crime than Sicily!so i dont like their policies.

as for Switzerland,i also live there,and the unemployment payment is 5,000 CHF = 5,000 USD per month. CH and Singapore are paradise, lowest taxes, many wonderful heavy restrictions keeping everyone in check, and the most benefits everywhere.they have the best environmental programs and have the healthiest and most environmental policies, the cleanest lakes and the best quality of goods.8% income tax, federal minimum wage of 20$ an hour, some places 30$ or more an hour and pay for transportation